Join us for a conversation about utilizing breath as prayer as a tool to overcome anxiety. We talk with Jennifer Tucker, author of “Breath as Prayer: Calm Your Anxiety, Focus Your Mind, And Renew Your Soul”.
- The definition and science behind breath as prayer
- Tools to overcoming anxiety
- Jennifer’s personal journey to discovering breath as prayer
- A brief description of the neurological effects of anxiety
- Jennifer’s story as a mother of a daughter with anxiety
- Allie’s favorite scriptures from the “Breath as Prayer” book
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The Power Of Breath Prayer — With Jennifer Tucker And Allie Marie Smith
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In this episode, we are talking about a spiritual practice that truly has the power to transform your life and can soothe your anxiety, deepen your faith and give you greater peace. If you’ve read the show, we’re so much about practical tools, taking biblical truth and wisdom and applying it in practical ways. Our guest is Jennifer Tucker. I’m so pleased to meet her. She’s a beautiful soul. She is an illustrator and an amazing artist. She’s so gifted. She is the author of a very special book called Breath as Prayer: Calm Your Anxiety, Focus Your Mind and Renew Your Soul. Jennifer, welcome. I’m so glad that you’re here. Thank you for being our guest.
I’m so happy to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
I want to say that this is a special book. This is about breath prayer. We’re going to tackle what breath prayer is more in detail here soon. Will you please share the story of how you discovered the practice of breath prayer and also just what it is?
It’s a little bit of a story that began in 2019. My daughter had a panic attack for the first time and shortly after was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder. That sent us down a path of mental health, trying to help her manage her anxiety and all these panic attacks. She had pretty severe panic attacks, multiple a day and a week. It was very hard. One of the first things that her therapist told us was the importance of the breath and how slowing her breathing could help calm her anxiety. She didn’t do so great with breathwork because when she focused on breathing, it made her more anxious and panicky. I was researching different breathing exercises and ways to help her manage anxiety.
I was also at the same time trying to figure out my anxiety and how to have managed it in more healthy ways because, for a long time, I didn’t address my struggles with anxiety and depression so much. I shoved it to the side and hide it underneath a bunch of perfectionism, overworking and stuff. In helping her learn to manage her anxiety and as we learned what anxiety is, how it manifests in the body and how to manage it, I had to get honest with myself on managing my own. That’s how I stumbled upon breath prayer in random Google searches.
I got deep into all kinds of different things and I stumbled upon a couple of posts that mentioned breath prayers pretty briefly but described what they were, gave a couple of little breath prayers and I thought that is so great because, for so much at the time, we separate faith from science or faith from health and stuff like that. This brought it together because I already knew breathing can help calm the body. I’m deep in my faith. Prayer I know is powerful to connect us to God. I never thought to combine the two. We can breathe as we pray. It’s so simple and they’re very short little prayers. It’s a prayer you pray to the rhythm of your breath.
You say the first line as you inhale slowly and you say the second line as you exhale slowly. All the prayers that I put in my book are straight from scripture, based on God’s words so we’re inhaling and exhaling his truth. When I first discovered it, I loved it and it helped me so much. I could feel a calm come over me. Not only because the breathing helped calm my body but the intentional focus on the truth of God’s word helped recenter my mind when I was anxious. I wrote a little tiny blog post about it and shared a little bit. I thought those are so cool. I didn’t practice them regularly until 2022.
My daughter was hospitalized for multiple health reasons. She was very sick. At this point, I was so overwhelmed. The new diagnosis that we got and the things that we were going to have to walk through, I didn’t know how to do that. I was terrified because I didn’t know that she was so sick. She’s hooked up to this heart monitor. We had a nurse in the room monitoring her. That first night, I remember being so overwhelmed with fear and anxiety. I couldn’t even think of any words to pray. I feel like I prayed all the words I knew by that point and I’m like, “God, I have nothing else to say. I don’t know what to do.”
I had the Holy Spirit brought to my mind, one of those little breath prayers that I had tucked away months before and it’s a verse from Psalm 23, “The Lord is my shepherd. I have all that I need.” That’s all I could think of. I inhaled, “The Lord is my shepherd.” I exhaled, “I have all that I need.” I started to intentionally slow my breathing down and focus on that simple little truth. I was able to calm down. God gave me a peace that I can’t explain except it was him. The next day when my anxiety shot up again because of the doctor’s coming in and things happening, I breathed and prayed. During the whole hospital stay, I would walk the halls praying and breathing.
Breath prayers became my lifeline in 2022. It was in the middle of all that, while I was sitting in the hospital next to her, I got an email from an editor saying they had read that little blog post I wrote and thought, “We think this will make a good book. Would you write it?” My initial reaction was like, “No. There’s no way. I am in a hospital with my daughter and I don’t know how long we’re going to be here.” I have no idea how the next few weeks and months are going to unfold. I can’t write it and I’m not a writer. I’m not an author. I do design illustrations and graphic design. That’s more my wheelhouse. I like being in the background. I help authors and work for some authors but I never considered myself one. My initial response is no. I can’t. There’s no way.
When she said it was about breath prayer, how could I not? The only thing getting me through each day was those little truths that I could inhale and exhale and think of this book as God’s gift to me. He gave it to me for 2022 to help me through those months. He knew what was coming and I would need these prayers myself. I would need to be intentional about focusing on him and clinging to him. That’s what this book is. It came out of the hardest time and darkest days of my life when it was hard for me to see the light or hope at all. This book helped me to remember to breathe and pray and breathe. That’s how I got through.
I didn’t think through this side of, “It’s going to be published and people are going to read it.” I think of it more as it’s my gift to others too. This little tiny tool is so simple and basic that anybody could write about it, anybody could share about it. I didn’t come up with it. It’s a Christian tradition that’s been around for centuries. It has helped me manage my anxiety but also strengthen my faith at the same time in a way that it’s been very powerful for me.
If it can help someone else who may be struggling too or may just need something small, maybe you don’t have all the words, maybe you are overwhelmed, maybe your circumstances are too big to even wrap your head around the prayer, it’s so simple. If you can breathe, you can pray a breath prayer. It gives you a simple way to calm and focus your mind on a simple truth, God’s word. There’s power that I have found in turning my mind to Christ and focusing on that truth. That’s what breath prayers are and how this book came to be.If you can breathe, you can pray a breath prayer. It gives you a simple way to calm and focus your mind on a simple truth, God's word. Click To Tweet
Thank you so much for sharing your story and helping others experience comfort with the comfort that you’ve received. Some days, it can be too overwhelming to take it one day at a time. I have walked through several setbacks of struggling with my mental health and multiple hospitalizations and taking it one day at a time is even too much. To be able to take it breath by breath, inhale by exhale. I wish I had this spiritual practice for years. It’s one of those tools. I would like us to dive into more of how breath prayer works. I’d like to share some of my favorite ones here. You have 84 different breath prayers.
How it’s laid out is on one page, you have a very short devotional sharing about the scripture that inspires that breath prayer. On the next page, you have the most beautiful artwork that goes with that verse. You have the prayer to inhale with and the prayer to exhale with. Will you familiarize us with how breath prayer works and why it is so effective?
It works on the physiological side. I love breathing. The more I learn about it, the more I love it. It’s such a gift that God gave us. His breath began life. It was the breath of God that breathed into me in the breath of life. It made us living souls. It’s his breath that daily sustains us. Anytime we breathe, it’s giving us life to every organ and cell in our whole body. He is sustaining us. Whether we believe in him or not, every human on this planet is breathing. That’s God’s mercy sustaining us. One of those processes of our body that we don’t have to think about, our body will do it automatically but it’s one of the automatic processes that we can also control intentionally.
I can’t control my heart rate and my blood pressure by will but I can control my breathing. I can choose to breathe rapidly and shallowly or slow my breathing and breathe deep and slow if I want to if I focus on it and intentionally do that. What happens when we are stressed or face a stressor or what our body perceives as a threat to us or a danger of any kind? That could be a physical danger, like a literal bear in your path or something as simple as being in a crowded room of people. Your nervous system might sense some kind of danger or threat in that situation.
Anytime we have some kind of stress, our body is naturally designed by God to respond to stress by activating what’s called our sympathetic nervous system, where the amygdala kicks in our brain. It’s the frontal lobe of our logic brain. The thinking shuts down and we take over on instinct. The fight-or-flight, which many of us have heard of, fight-flight-or-freeze, takes over and our body gets ready to respond to this danger or threat. Stress hormones are triggered and processed in our bodies. Our heart rate increases and our breathing becomes more rapid. There’s a whole series of things that happen when we have anxiety, stress, fear or worry.
That’s our body’s natural way of trying to protect us and trying to keep us safe. A lot of times, our nervous systems are dysregulated or things aren’t quite working the way they ought to or maybe our stress response is triggered by something that isn’t a threat. We can feel those symptoms starting to rise. Even that night in the hospital, when I was overcome by fear and worry and overwhelmed by the circumstances, I could feel my anxiety rising in my body. I was shaking, crying and sweating. I couldn’t breathe hardly. I was breathing so fast. I knew this is my body trying to keep me safe. There’s some kind of danger, I feel threatened.
Our breath is connected to nerves called the vagus nerve, which can activate the opposite side of our nervous system, the parasympathetic nervous system. When we slow our breathing, it sends signals through those vagus nerves to our brain saying, “You’re safe and it’s okay. We’re not in any danger.” That act of slowing our breath help start a little chain reaction in our body. If the amygdala starts to slow down, our heart rate then starts to slow down. The thinking part of our brain can begin to take over again and our body can start calming down.
Many scientific studies from people way wiser than me show that slow deep breathing can help with anxiety, depression, insomnia and a whole lot of different symptoms because we’re activating that rest and digestion system in our body. That’s the science side of breath prayer. Breathing comes with the physical symptoms of anxiety. Lots of people practice breathwork all over the world in many different religions. You’ll find breathwork all over. One thing I try to be intentional to explain is that this is Christian breath prayer.
This is different from other breathwork because we’re connecting prayer to our one true God. As we’re slowing our breathing and calming our physical body in the symptoms, at the same time, we’re going to turn our minds toward the truth of God’s word. A lot of times when we’re anxious and overwhelmed, those feelings can take over. They become big, at least for me. It’s my experience. I can spiral quickly into a lot of emotions.
Our feelings are valid and real but they don’t always tell us the truth. If in moments of that high feeling, lots of big feelings, we can slow down, take a deep breath and let those physical symptoms calm down. At the same time, turn our minds toward Christ and his truth in his words, something we can trust and cling to. That helps connect us to God. It reminds us of truth. It helps ground us in the one who is the source of our peace. Whereas other practices like Eastern religions and things, their meditative practices might try to empty the mind, reach some state of nirvana or try to focus inward for peace into yourself for all the answers.Our feelings are valid and real, but they don't always tell us the truth. Click To Tweet
What we’re doing in Christian breath prayer is breathing because the breath calms our body but as we’re doing that, we’re connecting and focusing on God. We’re praying to him. We’re shifting our thoughts away from ourselves, not inward but upward to God. We’re not trying to empty our minds. We’re trying to fill it with his truth and words that he gave us from his word, truths that we can cling to and count on. I have found it to be a practice that had been a significant help to me. It has been a lifeline, especially when I’m having hard and dark days.
When it’s hard for me, I am overwhelmed and I can’t think of big complicated prayers, God’s word gives us some words that we can pray. I can use his word and pray those words back to him. I remind my soul of the truth and then ground myself and my body into this present moment and remember that I’m safe. It’s okay. God is with me. I don’t have to be afraid now.
As I’m talking to you, I’m finding myself inhaling a lot, deeply getting down to the diaphragm. With the physiological changes in your body, breath is so powerful. It’s such a gift. I love how you talk about breath as life. The breath of God created every living thing. Thank you. You shared it so beautifully. You have 84 different breath prayers we can pick from. For me as an overachiever, I’m going to be like, “I want to memorize all 84 of them.” There was one that connected with me.
The scripture has already been one that I’ve memorized and that I go to quite often. “God is my refuge and strength, a very present help in times of trouble.” I have said that regularly throughout my life when I need that but I have never put it to breath. When I got your beautiful book, this is the number one that I’m going to start practicing. Inhaling as I say, “You are my refuge and strength.” When we talk about inhaling, it’s a deep inhale, not a hollow breath. Can you talk a little bit about the deep inhale?
What we’re doing is diaphragmatic breathing. You’re breathing down deep into your diaphragm. Instead of your chest filling up with your lung, you’re going to breathe deep so your tummy raises. When we first learned how to do this with my daughter, the therapist laid her on the floor, put a little rock or something on her belly and said, “When you breathe, you’re going to watch that raise up and down, then you know you’re breathing deep.”
It does take a little practice because it’s a different kind of breathing than we’re used to. It’s not a shallow breath. It is a deep breath. A little phrase that we’ve learned to remember how to breathe is to smell the flowers and blow out the candles so you always inhale through your nose and then exhale through your mouth slowly and fully. There are different breathing practices you can do and types of breath work.
I saw how you share that here. You shared three different ones.
There’s a whole bunch of different ones. You can google and find one that works best for you. Prefer this simple inhale for 5 and then exhale for 5. My daughter in particular doesn’t love breathing exercises. The one that she likes the best is the 4, 7, 8 where you inhale for 4, hold for 7 and then exhale for 8, where the exhale is longer than inhale. That’s been shown in studies to help with calm, especially in panic and stuff, which is very fascinating to me. I love the breath. It’s so neat. I’m not an expert by any means. I’m a mom with anxiety and with a kid with anxiety. I’ve done a ton of research on all of these things. Inhale deep and full.
Usually, I’ll inhale and exhale a couple of times before I start praying. I allow the breath to slow down and get in that rhythm first. Especially if I’m in a time of anxiety, it’ll calm those physical symptoms so I can then turn my mind to focus on the truth. A lot of times, you can’t focus when you’re super anxious. Sometimes, start with the breath and slow it down, even if it’s a simple inhale and exhale and slow. You can try the different breathing exercises and see what works best for you. I love how you shared how that one verse is one that you’ve clung to so much and is one you’ve memorized.
You can write your breath prayers. If there’s a verse you love that is significant to you, turn it into a prayer and breathe that prayer when you’re in those times of stress or when you need to be reminded of that truth. That’s what I did. I took verses that were significant to me that God was teaching me something through or that meant something and I turned it into a prayer. Anybody can do that. I read through scripture and I can see prayers all over the place. There are all kinds of ways you can turn them into prayers. I love that. This is to get people started. You can write your own for sure of verses that mean a lot to you.
I want to share a few others. Inhaling, “You are my refuge and strength.” Smell the flowers and say that as you’re inhaling. Blow out the candles and say, “A very present help in times of trouble.” There’s another one here I love from Isaiah 33:2. The verse is, “Lord be gracious to us. We long for you. Be our strength every morning, our salvation and in time of distress.” You made the breath prayer inspired by that verse. When you say inhale, “Be my strength every morning.” Exhale and say, “Save me in my distress.” That is so powerful.
I want to share one more here. There are 84. The verse is, “Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name, lead and guide me.” That is from Psalm 31:3. The prayer you wrote from this is inhaling, “You are my rock and my fortress.” Exhaling, “I trust you to lead and guide me.” As you’re reading, you want to try this breath prayer. I’m going to work on that one for a while. Once that becomes automatic for me, I’m going to come back to your book. You can go through these in any order and pick out the ones that you need at that time. I love it so much.
This isn’t a book for just people who struggle with clinical anxiety. This is not just for someone who has a general anxiety disorder. It’s a book but more than that, it’s a tool for everyone because we all face stressors, traumas and uncertainty in life whether we have that chronically or occasionally. I do want to make sure we make that point. This can be practiced for those who have trauma as well, in addition to anxiety. I’ve been through some hard things in my life and sometimes those things from my past can take me out of my surroundings and out of the present moment.
Is it the amygdala that overpowered the logical part of your brain that takes over? This happened to me. I was starting to experience all this physical shortness of breath, freezing and all these things. In addition to petting my dog and talking to my husband, if I had already had this discipline or this practice of breath prayer, that would’ve helped take me out of that moment. This Christian breath prayer has been around for how long, Jennifer?
Centuries. It’s been a long time. I didn’t grow up in liturgical churches or with contemplative prayer practices at all. I get that some people are hesitant towards some of this type of practice because they’ve not heard of it or are used to it. It is grounded in scripture. We’re not trying to do some new-age type thing. It’s age-old truths that we’re clinging to and using the breath. It’s a gift from God that he gave us and it can calm our bodies. There’s nothing weird about it. It’s been around for a very long time. There are probably people reading who are like, “I’ve heard of that. I know about that.”
It was new to me so I thought it was neat when I learned about it. Give it a try even if you don’t have an anxiety disorder. I made that distinction in my book too. I wanted to be very careful to distinguish between your everyday anxiety and an anxiety disorder because there are key differences. If you have anxiety that is interfering with your everyday life and it’s making it difficult for you to function on a normal basis, there is no shame in seeking help and finding a trained professional to talk to, whether that’s a therapist, psychiatrist or your doctor to start with. Anxiety that is clinical like my daughter has, there are physiological reasons for that.
There’s misfiring in your brain or dysregulation in your nervous system. There could be a million different things happening. There is help and hope for that. Breath prayer is not a cure for anxiety by any means. I’m not offering this as, “Just breathe these breath prayers and you won’t have anxiety anymore.” No. The reality is it’s a tool to help manage that anxiety along with other things. I love Jesus with all my heart but I see a therapist regularly and I take antidepressants for my depression because I know I need that extra support along with breath prayers every day. This isn’t like a fix-all end-all solution to all anxiety.
It has been a powerful tool for me that has been a great help and support because it not only helps with my physical anxiety but it has helped me grow in my faith. It strengthens me in those times. It’s changed how I see anxiety. For so long, it was my enemy. It was something I had to overcome. I had to figure out how I defeat this anxiety so that I can live the full life that God promised in scripture. He says, “Don’t be anxious about anything. Don’t worry about your life. Do not fear. Don’t be afraid,” all those scriptures that had been pounded in my head. How do you reconcile that if you’re still feeling anxious though? I pray, read my Bible, go to church and do all the things people tell me to check off to do.
I must not be a good enough Christian, I must not trust God enough or I must not be praying the right way if I still feel this fear and this anxiety. What I’ve learned is that anxiety doesn’t have to be my enemy. It’s shifted from being an obstacle that I had to overcome to an opportunity to go deeper in my faith and turn to Christ. It’s a prompt that I need to slow down, take a deep breath and then refocus my mind on the truth. Those verses in the Bible that say, “Don’t be anxious about anything. Don’t worry about your life. Do not fear,” are not God condemning us for those feelings. It’s not a sin to have anxiety. A lot of people feel like it is. I grew up thinking that it was and that I’m doing something wrong.
It’s the same with depression.
Exactly. There must be something wrong with my relationship with God if I’m feeling this deep sadness and sense of numbness for me sometimes. I’m like, “What is wrong with me? I must not trust God enough. I must not love him enough.” I’ve always felt defeated and a lot of shame. I didn’t want to talk about it because if I shared about it, there’s a whole lot of layers to that. I’ve shifted how I see those verses, especially as I’ve walked through severe anxiety with my daughter. I think of times when both of my daughters, in the middle of the night, would come to me terrified, afraid they had a bad dream, scared of something or when my daughter has a panic attack and she’s panicking over something. I don’t get mad at her or yell at her.
I didn’t yell at my kids for being afraid. I grabbed them in my arms and said, “I’m right here. It’s okay. You’re safe. You don’t have to be afraid.” I feel like those verses have flipped for me from verses of condemnation to verses of compassion where God is saying, “I’m your heavenly Father. Listen, I’m here. I love you. You’re safe. You don’t have to be afraid.” It’s him gently, kindly with all the compassion in the world, reminding us that he’s got us. He’s here and is in control. That’s why breath prayer for me, especially with those verses, I can flip it and turn it into prayer. I remind my soul of those truths. “I don’t have to be afraid. God, you’re right here with me.”
He knows we’re going to be afraid and anxious. That’s a part of the human condition, whether you have an anxiety disorder or not. If all of us are honest, we all face some level of anxiety and stress. That’s part of it. There are ways. There is hope and help. Anxiety doesn’t have to be something that separates us from God but it can draw us closer to him if we use it as an opportunity. “I’m feeling these symptoms of anxiety.” Knowing first what your body does when you’re anxious and being aware of that. “I’m feeling this way. Let me slow down and take some breaths. Let me intentionally turn my heart to Christ and focus on a truth that I can cling to.”Anxiety doesn't have to be something that separates us from God, but it can draw us closer to Him if we use it as an opportunity. Click To Tweet
It shifted everything for me when I started doing that. Anxiety is not something I’m afraid of. It’s just like, ” I’m feeling anxious. Let me use this.” I keep turning to him. It’s this opportunity to continue to turn again and again. That’s how it has strengthened my faith instead of being a barrier to my faith. I would say anybody who struggles with anxiety, you’re so not alone. God isn’t mad at you. It’s okay. He’s just inviting you to go to him when you’re feeling that way. Use it as an invitation. It’s not something to be ashamed of or an enemy you have to fight. Use it as an invitation from him to slow down. Wrap yourselves in his arms through the truth of his word and know that you are safe and loved.
He is with you no matter what, even how hard that circumstance is because I know we face hard things. This book came out of some hard things but those hard things aren’t over for me. I’m still walking through those hard things or in different hard things and some things that are even harder than I thought I could handle. The breath prayer is still my lifeline because it still keeps me. I cling to him, turn to him and remind myself to slow down and breathe through it all.
I’m so grateful that you have taken this century’s old spiritual practice and made it afresh because, in our culture, we need this more than ever. There is such a mental health epidemic. There are so many layers that go into it. There’s especially a mental health epidemic among youth. Our passion is teen girls and young women. That comes from my story too and what I walked through as a young woman. This is another tool in the toolbox God gives us. I’ve lived with a severe mental health condition for several years. It started around the age of twelve. I’ve had many setbacks. By God’s grace, I’m in a wonderful season. I’m thriving.
My toolbox is God, number one, prayer, medication, seeing that as another tool, a good gift that God has given me. Every Sunday when I fill my toolbox, I put my vitamins, probiotics and medicine. I say, “Thank you, Lord, that you have carried me this far. I ask that you sustain me and keep me from slipping. Thank you for this gift that you have given me to help me live a better life.” I exercise. I am very intentional with my input. I’ll do anything to try to stay well and be well. I want to say thank you to you. I had been doing the breath thing but I didn’t have the connection between the breath and the prayer and you’ve made it so easy.
I can turn through this and pick anyone. I’m going to hang on to this book forever. It’s a very special book. Every one of you would be blessed by this book, whether you have a generalized anxiety disorder or you’re dealing with the everyday stressors and pressures of life. We are closest to God. His strength has made perfect in our weakness. I speak for myself but maybe for others that those difficult times are an opportunity for us to be closer to God.
Jesus is close to the brokenhearted. He is near to us. I enjoyed our conversation. I want to encourage you to please connect with Jennifer. It’s so beautiful, everything, the artwork. You’re so gifted. I’m going to ask you one more question that I ask all of our guests. Jennifer, if you could go back and give your younger self some words of wisdom, how old would she be and what would you tell her?
She would probably be right in the middle of high school. I went to three different high schools when I was in high school so lots of change. My dad was in the military so there was not a lot of consistency. I remember being in tenth grade when we moved across the world to Italy at the time. We lived so far from the base. I didn’t have a single friend in the world. I would tell her to not be so hard on herself. You don’t have to be perfect to be accepted and loved. God is not mad at you if you mess up and it’s okay. It’s going to be okay. I would wrap her up because she was a perfectionist mess who was so lonely. I would remind her that she’s not alone and not be so hard on herself.
Thank you for sharing. I love asking all of our guests this question because as a ministry whose heartbeat is teen girls and young women, time and time again, I see women speak to their junior high selves. As you’re reading, say you’re a college girl, a high school girl, a working mom in your 30s, 20s or you’re a grandmother, we have so many girls and women of all ages who read our show, we want to encourage you to speak truth into the lives of the younger girls and women because they need you.
They need to hear your experiences and what God has done in your life. I want to invite you to find a young woman or a girl in your life, maybe it’s your friend’s daughter or your niece and pour into her because she would be so blessed by your presence and the wisdom that you have to share. It’s beautiful what you would share with your younger self and we can’t go back in time and do that but I’m going to hope that many girls and women will take your advice and receive it.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for being our guest. Jennifer Tucker, we’re grateful for you. Her book again is Breath as Prayer: Calm Your Anxiety, Focus Your Mind and Renew Your Soul. This is a beautiful book. I’m going to be going back to it regularly. Thank you so much.